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2TB Hard Drives - Seagate ST2000DL003 vs ST2000VX002

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Hi. I'm hoping some people here may be able to offer their opinions on my question re the best drive to go for in my situation.
I have a HP Proliant Microserver, which I wish to buy four 2TB discs for.


I was going to buy some Seagate ST2000DL003 drives:


http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?name=st2000dl003-bcuda-green-sata-6gb-2tbhd&vgnextoid=add6439d...

 


But I have also been recommended to consider paying a little more (approx £20 extra per drive) to get this other model. The  Seagate ST2000VX002
http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?name=st2000VX002-sv35-sata-2tb-hd&vgnextoid=eb19466ef0e9c210Vg...

 

 

The latter drive has a 5 year warranty and says it's made for 24/7 usage which all sounds good. Has the same number of Platters, Cache, 64MB Buffer etc.
But if you read the page it does say:

 


Applications
Video surveillance digital video recorder (SDVR)Video surveillance network digital video recorder (NVR)Direct-attached JBOD video storageNetwork-attached JBOD video storage 
The SV35 Series hard drives are engineered for rigorous 24x7 video surveillance systems, offering tuned performance, high capacities and durable reliability required for the high-write workloads of video surveillance systems

It does not say, suited for Server/NAS applications.Should I be concerned about any of this, as it "Sounds" like a more reliable drive with a longer warranty that's built to be on all the time, as opposed to the other which is just a "normal" hard drive for PC's in general.

 

I'm having a LOT of trouble finding out anything about these ST2000VX002 models


I didn't want to pay extra and then find they are not really suitable for a NAS device.
Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this you might have :smileyhappy:

Yottabyte
fzabkar
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Re: 2TB Hard Drives - Seagate ST2000DL003 vs ST2000VX002

My reading of the following document suggests that the "X" in the model number of the "VX" drive indicates that it is a "Premium" grade drive:

New, Simplified Seagate Model Numbers:
http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/marketing/st_model_number_cheat_sheet.pdf

DX = Desktop Premium
DM = Mainstream
DL = Entry Level

LX = Laptop Premium
LM = Laptop Mainstream

MX = Mission-Critical

FX/FM = Enterprise SSD

VX = Surveillance

You may also find this recent discussion of interest:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage/browse_thread/thread/40ca3df19aac7df...

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barracuda378
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Re: 2TB Hard Drives - Seagate ST2000DL003 vs ST2000VX002

The price, acoustics, seek times, and warranty of the 2TB SV35 are much closer to the Barracuda XT than the Barracuda Green.  I think that is a better comparison.  Newegg.com has the three drives for $80, $120, and $130. There is a lot of information about the Barracuda XT around to help you make a decision.

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Re: 2TB Hard Drives - Seagate ST2000DL003 vs ST2000VX002

Thanks for that. I shall read that link.

 

DL = Entry Level 

 

So the Seagate ST2000DL003 that people are using perhaps in a home server is not even up to the grade of a middle grade or premium desktop grade. Let along anything higher up the scale.

 

It does make you wonder just how much you should trust such drives if they are the lowest grade they make.

 

If the VX = Surveillience (which I believe they say is built for 24/7 work) you would THINK it's built better, esp as it comes with a 5 year warranty AND is built for continuous use.

 

I have read there are or can be some issues with using the "green" disks, such as the popular Seagate ST2000DL003 due to all the power saving things it does.

 

Basically I just want to make sure I purchase the best value for my money

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Cantbecanit
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Re: 2TB Hard Drives - Seagate ST2000DL003 vs ST2000VX002

The drive names have different tasks in mind, none of the drives are weak, but the higher end ones either spin and seek faster or are built to withstand many constant hours on, probably by improving their thermal abilities.

 

If you want a little tip, mount any HDD in a fan assisted case bay, a drive with air going across it will stay at 20-30 degress, one without will idle at 35-39 and after work it will burn your fingers removing it. hth.

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Re: 2TB Hard Drives - Seagate ST2000DL003 vs ST2000VX002

Thanks for the replies.

 

Both the DL and the VX drives seem very similar in general.

 

They both have the same 5900 RPM, 3 platters, Voltages, 64MB Cache

 

The only "REAL" differences on the spec sheets seem to be:

 

1: The VX is 0.6 Bells louder (2.7 compared to 2.1 on the DL model) I'm not sure what difference that makes.

 

2: The VX has a 5 year warranty as opposed to 3, and they say it's built to stand 24/7 running.

 

3: The VX has MUCH faster read and write seek times of 8.5-9.5ms compared to 12.0-13.0 on the DL model. That's around 40% faster, which is a lot in anyone's books.

 

4: It's about 33% more expensive (but that's only £20 in reality)

 

I'm still wondering which would be the better NAS drive.

The more expensive VX with the longer warranty, 40% faster access times?

 

Of the DL which promotes itself as the "Green" drive, and yet seems to be pretty much the same drive in many respects. Apart from being 0.6 bells quieter, whatever that means in reality?

 

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Cantbecanit
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Re: 2TB Hard Drives - Seagate ST2000DL003 vs ST2000VX002

Where I go shopping the green is £60, the XT is £135, if you get better deals then go for the higher model, but unless you are like Gamespot etc with servers that are constantly being asked from, I wouldn't bother, the green will probably serve you just as well as long as you feed it good reputable power and keep it cool, I think cooling is the major factor here tbh regarding longevity and lack of hanging etc.

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Re: 2TB Hard Drives - Seagate ST2000DL003 vs ST2000VX002

I wouldn't take any specification as gospel. In fact Seagate's documentation is fraught with errors.

For example, look at Section 2.8 (Power specifications) of the Rev D SV35 manual.

Table 4 lists the "DC power requirements (3-disk, 2TB)", yet the first column header is "Power dissipation (4-disk values shown)".

Similarly, Table 5 lists the "DC power requirements (1 and 2-disk, 1TB and 500GB)", yet the clumn header is "Power dissipation (3-disk values shown)".

Furthermore, the average power consumption figures in Tables 4 and 5 are do not tally with the average currents.

For example the operating power is shown as 5.8W for the 2TB drive, and 7.0W for the other models, yet their average current demands are identical. Moreover, applying the P=VI formula to the data suggests that neither set of figures is correct.

Average power consumption = (5V x 0.496A) + (12V x 0.341A) = 6.57W

The results for Standby and Sleep are similarly in error.

As for the Seek Times, section 2.6 specifies average read and write seek times of 8.5 and 9.5ms, respectively. However, the "Drive specifications summary" in Table 1 of Section 2.1 specifies average read and write seek times of 12ms and 13ms. I'm wondering whether the differences are the result of confusion between seek times and access times. Access time is the time required to access a target sector, whereas seek time is the time required to access the target track. Therefore the overall access time would include an average rotational latency component, ie the time required for the target sector to pass underneath the head. The average latency would be equal to one half of a rotation, either 4ms for a 7200 RPM drive, or 5ms for a 5900 RPM drive.

In short, access time = seek time + rotational latency.

As for the "Acoustics emissions", section 2.10 of the SV35 manual specifies 2.3 bels (min) and 2.4 bels (typ) during seeking for the ST2000VX002, and 2.8 / 3.0 bels for the 1TB and 500GB models. The Barracuda Greens are specified for 2.4 and 2.5 bels, respectively. I believe the higher noise levels for the 1TB SV35 model are due to the fact that it spins at 7200 RPM whereas the ST2000VX002 spins at 5900 RPM.

That said, I can't find any reference to spindle speed in the SV35 manual. This begs the question, is Seagate deliberately avoiding publishing the RPM spec? I notice that WD has resorted to using "IntelliPower" marketing-speak to obfuscate the actual speed (5400 RPM) of its green drives, but this is the first clue that Seagate may be embarking on a similar path. I suppose having a 2TB 5900 RPM drive in the same stable as a 1TB 7200 RPM model would pose embarrassing questions, so I wonder if that's the reason for the omission.


References:
SV35.5 Series SATA Product Manual, Rev. A (ST31000525SV, ST3500410SV, ST3250311SV):
http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/disc/manuals/ce/SV35%20Series/SV35.5%20Series/100562053a....

SV35 Series SATA Product Manual, Rev. D (ST2000VX002, ST31000526SV, ST31000525SV, ST3500411SV, ST3500410SV, ST3250311SV:
http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/disc/manuals/ce/SV35%20Series/SV35.5%20Series/100562053d....

Barracuda Green SATA Product Manual, Revs A, B,C:
http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/disc/manuals/desktop/Barracuda%20Green/100649225a.pdf
http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/disc/manuals/desktop/Barracuda%20Green/100649225b.pdf
http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/docs/manual/desktop/Barracuda%20Green/100649225c.pdf

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Re: 2TB Hard Drives - Seagate ST2000DL003 vs ST2000VX002

Thanks.

 

As you say, some things just don't seem right.

 

Actually the link you posted to here: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage/browse_thread/thread/40ca3df19aac7df...

 

About drives made for surveillance has pretty much put me off the VX model which is good, as I needed something to persuade me one way of the other as I was on the fence over this.

 

I'm 99% sure I'm going with four Seagate Barracuda Green ST2000DL003 drives now.