05-31-2012 05:34 AM
portomomo wrote:Just to broaden the discussion a little bit:
I've found (on this forum BTW) a post from user OLNEX:
Essentially quoting an Fujitsu tech saying that parking of disk heads is not important for Power Saving but for security reasons to
have the heads parked in case of a power failure.
Furthermore the 600K limit of LOAD_CYCLE_COUNT is a theoretical limit and that this number is reached on normal usage basis in 4,89 years. Their drives are tested up to 1000K cycles.
That is talking about Laptop drives. They always park often because laptops often get bumped and moved around.
But the DM series in question is a desktop drive and it is not expected to be moved and so shouldn't be parking for safety reasons.
If a drive loses power, the heads have a failsafe mechanism to park the heads automatically. The platters will still be spinning fast enough to allow it to complete the parking.
Parking in the middle of the platter and causing damage on power failure might be a problem if you're still running some ancient 5MB 8" HDD or such.
05-31-2012 07:00 AM
right, have overseen the model (ops. the title also
)
and parking heads for a desktop drive seems useless....
just speculating: could it be a bad interaction between disk and buffer? As buffers are getting bigger, far less R/W operations have to be done in sequence, allowing more idle time for the heads. That could explain also why some users are reporting head parking during file access (i.e. video playing), with associated lag.
05-31-2012 01:41 PM
portomomo wrote:right, have overseen the model (ops. the title also
)
and parking heads for a desktop drive seems useless....
just speculating: could it be a bad interaction between disk and buffer? As buffers are getting bigger, far less R/W operations have to be done in sequence, allowing more idle time for the heads. That could explain also why some users are reporting head parking during file access (i.e. video playing), with associated lag.
Well, the "Green" series of HDD from various makers all seem to park a lot, apparently to save power.
Interestingly enough, Western Digital's AV series has what's called 'PWL' or 'Preemptive Wear Leveling' - their words:
"The drive arm frequently sweeps across the disk to reduce uneven wear on the drive surface common to audio video streaming applications."
Again - unless you're running an ancient drive I see no reason for this - as far as I know drive heads do not touch the platters anymore, so how can it cause any wear? There must be some reason for them having the feature, though.
Have you tried the firmware update on your drives yet?
06-01-2012 04:20 AM
Din't applied the FW update yet. During the weekend I'll dismantlle the NAS and make the update.
But I've got curious about the issue of load/unload cycles and are making some investigations:
There's a lot of discussiona about it all over the net, mostly manufaturers parising the benefits and users afraid
of loosing their beloved data due to excessive wear of the disk:
A documento from Hitachi explaining a little more about the feature:
http://www.hgst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/9076
A reaction from WD after user complaints (BTW a lot more responsible attitude, providing a lot of background infos)
http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/53
My first thoughts: the feature is both
1.
a marketing argument (so called "eco", "green", "low power". HDDs) with questionable results:
+ the power effectively saved corresponds to a few Watts a day
- the theorical life of the disk gets reduced due to wear of the mechanism
= more disk consumption (= more resourced used, more electronic waste produced etc..,)
2.
an effective way of reducing damage by accident (high G accelerations during R/W operations) like impacts, power loss
More interesting for portable devices as laptops
3.
??? (but I will find it out
)
I would suggest: if our "chirp" is really gone with this new FW we should move this discussion to another thread.
06-01-2012 04:41 AM
Just a follow up:
on seagate site you can find the manual for those drives:
http://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-drives/deskto
According to them data integrity is guaranteed for 300.000 Load/Unload cycles and /or 2400 power on hours.
In my setup (a typical NAS in RAID 1 with moderate use, mainly as backup), but running 24/7 those numbers are far too low:
I've counted 400 Load Cycles a day -> 300000/400 = 2,05 years of guaranteed work
Being powred on 24 h a day -> 2400/24 = 100 days of guaranteed work
I think those are very conservative numbers but an argument for manufacturers to refuse HDD exchange in case of failure (your drive exceeded the max. Load Cycles... your drive wasn't intended for extra heavy use...., buy our "server" grade models instead...." bla bla bla), shorten at the end the lifespan of the drives.
just speculating, with a little help of conspirancy theories, but as I work in tech industry, it would be not the first time that I hear such arguments during briefs.
06-01-2012 03:06 PM
I've just flashed my drives (all 8!).
Was sitting at 130 Power Cycles and is not at 134 after a few hours. Drives have around 70 Pwer on hours on them (new raid array).
The noise has stopped. What I am hoping is that the FW has fixed the actual Load Cycle (Chirp) but maybe it is still reporting it would have done one in SMART without actually doing it.
06-01-2012 06:21 PM
can any body suggest me a program that shows S.M.A.R.T report using bootable CD?
thank you
06-01-2012 06:39 PM - edited 06-01-2012 06:41 PM
Shahin wrote:can any body suggest me a program that shows S.M.A.R.T report using bootable CD?
thank you
I use HDAT2.
Also, the Ubuntu Linux Live CD comes with a program called "Disk Utility" that can read SMART data.
06-01-2012 06:58 PM
thank You
06-03-2012 03:47 PM
how can i find out Load Cycles with HDAT2?
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