12-03-2008 06:54 AM
Inviste said:
-the data recovery company answered just "its senseless to repair barracuda.11"
Just for record, it's senseless to repair ANY hard drive. It's far cheaper and more efficient to replace a non-functional drive than to put a lot of effort into reparation.
markk82:
China is China, I'm sure you understand. Plus, company policies (for any company) can and do vary, sometimes widely, from country to country.
12-03-2008 03:26 PM
Here another dead drive, not detected in BIOS.
As said before, I think seagate must do something to repair these drives, at least at low cost. There are a lot of drives with these symptoms, and all the info we put on it is lost When a Co. do something wrong, must be solved in any way, drives came back refurbished, but what about the info we put on it?
As I read in another forum, it seems that Seagate launched 7200.11 series to have an income bump on its data recovery service lol
I'm saving my drive a time to see if Seagate offers us a solution before sending it RMA.
12-04-2008 12:01 AM - edited 12-04-2008 04:15 AM
AlanM wrote:
Just for record, it's senseless to repair ANY hard drive. It's far cheaper and more efficient to replace a non-functional drive than to put a lot of effort into reparation.
Just for record, you are not really in the know (maybe)- the problem is not in the repair - it's not expensive - because it's a frimware problem. It's senseless to repair exactly Barracuda 11 - because it will break again... (and again)... And every time you will loose all your data. Frankly speaking, i was more confident in my data using floppys then these hard drives...
One more problem is that data recovery companies can repair this drive for free if you restore your data there - but data restoration costs much more then a new drive...
So ask yourself - do you need a hard drive that you can't rely on, the manufacturer does not care and is not responsible for your data?
AlanM wrote:
China is China, I'm sure you understand.
Segate is Seagate - I'm sure you understand. If I use Sony support (e.g.) - they are not saying that "our service in Russia sucks - use US srevice" - they are just doing their job, answering questions and solving problems. They are proud of their production and they care what their customers think about their company and their production. I have no answer from Seagate's support for the last WEEK - so you are probably laughing, answering "you will be answered within 24 hours"...
p.s. i have such a feeling that it's my last seagate drive... pity...
12-04-2008 01:56 AM
I too am a proud victim of a dead Seagate 1TB drive. I call it the Seagate September-11. Never in my life have I lost so much data in one single drive... a 1TB of Data Lost, that's 1000 times of all the data I've lost in my whole 20 years of harddrive usage.
If anyone ever find out how to resurrect the harddrive with dead firmware, please share your experience.
12-04-2008 03:02 AM
Well, I guess I'm joining the club ![]()
Same 'not detected' issue on my 2 week old ST3500320AS (SD15 firmware)...the drive spins-up correctly but no PC is able to detect it.
This is getting ridiculous...I can bear with a mechanical failure, but not with a firmware defect.
I've already opened a support case, but no answers yet...
12-04-2008 06:44 AM
Just FYI here, firmware is not the answer to everything. If there is a firmware problem, it's going to be very widespread, over thousands and thousands of drives.
A dead drive here and there is not a firmware problem. It means that your drive died. Sometimes hard drives die. It sucks, but that's life unfortunately.
12-04-2008 07:32 AM - edited 12-04-2008 07:38 AM
China is China, I'm sure you understand. Plus, company policies (for any company) can and do vary, sometimes widely, from country to country.
What are you talking? I do live in China right now. Their data restore center said that it's not hard to repair the drive but they won't do it. Their guarantee hotline says that they just change the drive and don't repair it.
Just for record, it's senseless to repair ANY hard drive. It's far cheaper and more efficient to replace a non-functional drive than to put a lot of effort into reparation.
You are talking about mechanical failures probably. Firmware problems are much easier to fix. And it is only senseless if you have no clue about marketing and are not smart enough to think further than one day ahead.
What costs more? Repairing firmwares or permanently loosing customers and having a possible media disaster? I doubt that anyone who experienced Seagate's ignorance will ever buy a drive again. I was always a supporter and recommended your drives. Now I made sure that everyone in my company knows about it. A coworker who was about to buy an external Seagate drive already told me that he will get Western Digital instead.
A dead drive here and there is not a firmware problem. It means that your drive died. Sometimes hard drives die. It sucks, but that's life unfortunately.
Did you read what I was writing? People had their hard drive repaired without the drive being opened. So how did they fix it? Magic? Praying?
The data recovery company even writes that it is a firmware corruption.
And there are not just a few cases. Seagate is trying to downplay it at the moment. If you think that 17% 1 star ratings at Newegg are acceptable then apply for a job at Seagate. You have the right spirit.
12-04-2008 09:20 AM
I agree with you guys, I've always recomended seagates hard drives when people ask med what hard drive they should buy, but right now I will warn them instead because this is really bad, 17% with one star, and most of people in the reviews have the same problem.
It's pathetic that seagate not even can admit that this is a common problem and that they will try to find a way to solve the problem.
12-04-2008 09:33 AM - edited 12-04-2008 10:22 AM
Hamartolos wrote:Just FYI here, firmware is not the answer to everything. If there is a firmware problem, it's going to be very widespread, over thousands and thousands of drives.
A dead drive here and there is not a firmware problem. It means that your drive died. Sometimes hard drives die. It sucks, but that's life unfortunately.
This is different from a normal dead harddrive. I've used harddrive for 20 years. All but 2 died an unnatural death. It's very widespread. This is not just the Seagate forum. It's in the Newegg forum and other forums too (e.g. Cnet, NCIX, Amazon etc). If you are unfortunate enough to have the bad firmware -- Thailand SD15, it looks like a 100% death. It's not a luck issue, it's a matter of when.
No matter what, Seagate screw up big this time. It reminds me of IBM DeathStar (now known as the Hitachi Deskstar). It died after 1 year of normal usage. IBM said it wasn't meant to be used so frequently which was a lie, every other harddrive surived years more than the IBM drives in the same computer. I've never bought another IBM drive since and I have actively advise others from doing so. Of course I'm just a little consumer, it doesn't matter, if it affects the computer makers (e.g. HP), Seagate will be more active in the issue. So far, I think it's only affecting the OEM market.
12-04-2008 12:50 PM
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