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josefk
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7200.12, 500GB, resurrected from death several times in perfect health and eventually died off..

My dear and respected HDD gurus, I am the owner of Seagate Barracuda ST3500418AS 500GB, from 7200.12 series, fw CC34, which failed several days ago. BIOS doesn't detect it, yet it tries really long as if it knows that some drive actually IS connected to SATA controller but it doesn't respond well, so it gives up after a while reporting no drive at that particular port. My suspicion is confirmed by kernel (yeah, I'm a linux user) which bypass BIOS and also detects that some ghost drive is connected to controller and tries to communicate with it but gives up after several retries claiming “...the link is too slow”. Freeware diagnostic tool MHDD also seems to correctly suppose the drive is connected to SATA port, but after several retries it claims 'Drive not ready'. Seatools doesn't detect it at all, probably because it relies on what BIOS says.

 

It is now around 6 months that I got this drive as a replacement for a well known failure-prone 7200.11 drive. I waited almost a year before I exploited warranty since data stored on that 7200.11 was sensitive so I let time to pass by until data became valueless. Fearing that something nasty would also happen to new drive (after all, the difference from the previous is just 0.01), I didn't put any sensitive data on it. Moreover, after three months I've noticed unusual (read: stupid) things happening to the replacement drive. It would be spontaneously reset during work to lower speed, with kernel claiming that ATA link became slower. Immediately before that system would usually freeze for around 10-15 seconds. Sometimes, after resetting the drive, kernel would mount file system as read-only claiming it needs checking. After checking, there would be a pile of bad sectors, usually around 30-40. Sometimes, after booting again, the drive would pass undetected by BIOS, but hey, it would resurrect itself after 2nd or 3rd or even some higher order booting. Sometimes, BIOS would report it has 0 GB capacity after rebooting. And guess what, all those cordons of bad sectors would disappear after several bootings and the file system would now be clean as popes dress (that's why I didn't send it to be repaired, fearing that it would present itself as a perfectly healthy disk to a servicegirl and make me an idiot – moreover SMART tests and SEATOOLS always reported the drive was doing great). When it happened last time, some month and a half ago, I wiggled the SATA cable and noticed that it was not-so-tightly connected so I thought to myself: HOORAY!! That little untihgtliness surely MUST be the reason for the drives malfunction. And really, after I pushed my connector more deeply to her socket it worked flawlessly until several days ago. When it happened again, I checked the cable, but it was tightly connected this time. So, bearing in mind past reincarnations, I was sure it would as usual arise from the death. However, it didn't.

 

I just wanted to ask You, my respected and well informed HDD gurus, does this strange set of behavior looks familiar to You? Do I have a justifiable reason to nourish my hopes that the drive can be repaired or should I bury them together with my memories of SEAGATE? The only reason why I would want this particular drive back from repair is because of not so relevant data which is stored on it. If it is some well known issue which can be fixed easily, then I would like THIS drive back, but I definitely don't want any new replacement drive (except if SEAGATE ships me WD or HITACHI, I mean there must be some disillusioned me-like WD user who is passionately dreaming of SEAGATE, so WD and SEAGATE should make a deal about switching the replacements in these cases). But in any case money return would be mostly welcomed (even without naturally expected compensation for loosing my nerves).

 

Thanks for any (even unusable) advice.

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Cantbecanit
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Re: 7200.12, 500GB, resurrected from death several times in perfect health and eventually died off..

Hello mate, sorry to hear of your troubles, as of yet I've not heard of 12 series drives doing this, at the point where you are at now I'd do some searching to see if the Nokia CA42/Hyperterminal fix can be used on a 12 drive, I can't say for sure if it can or can't right now, but be sure the bios really isn't detecting it before you do anything.
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Alex Sologub
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Registered: ‎02-23-2010
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Re: 7200.12, 500GB, resurrected from death several times in perfect health and eventually died off..

I have a Barracuda 7200.12 ST350041-8AS HDD, firmware revision CC37, part num 9SL142-301 which abruptly became inaccessible for OS. I do have a dual-boot-System with Ubuntu 9.10 on Barracuda and Win-XP on another HDD. I used the Barracuda as a data storage disk w logic partition formatted as ntfs to get acess from Ubuntu and Win, but sadly, with no essential data backed up.

Dear mate, could you help me to solve the problem with 7200.12 series HDD?

 

The problem is: when I run Ubuntu, suddenly my drive has gone, with no reason. At OS booting it was /dev/sda, now there is no /dev/sda anymore, but a /dev/sdc (/dev/sdb is the drive where the operating systems are).

At initial boots BIOS always recognizes my SATA controllers (SIL3112 SataRaid  and SIL3512 SataLink), but not the Barracuda HDD and its volume capacity.

Though Win-XP device manager recognizes Barracuda and disk controllers as working correctly, win explorer shows the disk as inaccessible media w I /O error and OS hang ups in attempt to explore. Win-XP apps event log shows repeated "An error was detected on device during paging operation", code 51.

Numerous disk/OS tools I have tried up to recover information indicated ST350041-8AS as a completely bad disk with no file system on it

 

So, in a hope the data on disk has not been lost I am looking for possible problem solution for either to restore disk functionality and data. Do you think HDD firmware upgrade might solve the problem?


Regards

Alexander

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Cantbecanit
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Re: 7200.12, 500GB, resurrected from death several times in perfect health and eventually died off..

Data will be intact as long as there is a method to unlock the drive, I hope the 12 series isn't following the 11, but then again I'm informed that rival companies are surfing here to stick the boot in, when the 11 problem came about it was flooded here with threads, yet the 12 attracts only a handfull, not suggesting this is you, but as the human race right now wants to operate **** thy neighbour, all things need considering, afaik the whole team that wrote series 11 FW was fired, I can't see the new team being so inept as to flollow them, so make sure it really isn't listing in the bios and that a fresh drive is introduced to a sata driver before formatting.
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Alex Sologub
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Registered: ‎02-23-2010

Re: 7200.12, 500GB, resurrected from death several times in perfect health and eventually died off..

Dear Cantbecanit, thank u for your nice philosophy related to the Seagate hart-and-hard ware, the story sounds really interesting and you definitely are a real seagate guru. Back to my case, sometimes my faulty HDD appears in the BIOS listing, particularly after the change of initial boot sequence between HDDs attributed to SATA-Raid and SATA-link controllers, so still remain guessing between faulty controller and HDD.

As you recommended at your "so make sure it really isn't listing in the bios and that a fresh drive is introduced to a sata driver before formatting" will try a new HDD with SATA-link, a word "formatting" still makes me feel as a death sentence.
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fzabkar
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Re: 7200.12, 500GB, resurrected from death several times in perfect health and eventually died off..

I see that one of the data recovery experts has confirmed that the 7200.12 series drives can use the same 0 LBA fix as the 7200.11 family, at least insofar as repairing the Service Area.

See the following thread:

http://forum.hddguru.com/seagate-barracuda-7200-stopped-working-t14154.html#p92485

As for 7200.12 firmware upgrades, I could be wrong but I don't think any updates were made publicly available.
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Alex Sologub
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Registered: ‎02-23-2010
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Re: 7200.12, 500GB, resurrected from death several times in perfect health and eventually died off..

Dear fzabkar, thank you for have referenced me to HDD guru knowledge base. I have exactly the same HDD hardware as Mr. Jean-Jacqes from France, i.e. ser 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500Gb/16Mb except FW revision (my HDD has CC37 ROM) with a problem looking like his and still unresolved. Actually, the disk erratically appears in the BIOS registered devices list with its full capacity, but in most boot-up attempts not. Win sys logs shows numerous (up to 30 repeated records) I/O failure during disk paging operation (error 51) As my workmate explained, the case might be a malfunctioned part of CC37 FW responsible for translation of HDD sectors physical addresses to the system LBA. My HDD is absolutely new, but sadly, with essential data on it I did not back up. Another hint, as I remember HDD failed exactly after i tried to re-install Ubuntu 9.10 on it forcing the life CD place grub 2.0 to the root sda/ and also to the sda/home partitions... Is it possible, that GRUB just damaged the HDD track 0 with MBR & FAT lost, but HDD FW remain unaffected? Anyway, as you advised, will try to verify the HDD tomorrow with Seatools for DOS ver 2.13 beta 4 before going to the local repair and HDD data restore services. Also would be very thankful you for the further technical support and advise
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Alex Sologub
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Re: 7200.12, 500GB, resurrected from death several times in perfect health and eventually died off..

Dear mate fzabkar, please explain, is the LBA fix for 7200.11 family safe to apply? Does it mean re-flashig the HDDs ROM? I am afraid, re-flashing might wipe the track 0 position and subsequently, affect the data stored on HDD.. just want get more knowledge how to keep data intact before experimenting with Seatools
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fzabkar
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Re: 7200.12, 500GB, resurrected from death several times in perfect health and eventually died off..

Alex, I'm not a data recovery guy, so I can't really answer your questions with any authority. You could try asking the pros at HDD Guru ...

http://forum.hddguru.com/hard-disk-drives-data-recovery-and-repair-f1.html

... or you could try asking Raptor_pa at ...

http://www.techsupportforum.com/hardware-support/hard-drive-support/

When you talk of flashing the ROM, you are making the same mistake I did when I first started looking seriously at modern hard drives. Nowadays the bulk of the drive's firmware is stored on a hidden Service Area (SA) on the platters. The serial EEPROM contains drive specific calibration data that are determined at the factory. This is because each set of heads is calibrated to the drive. The MCU probably contains some bootstrap code, with the remainder of the boot code in the ROM. After the MCU boots up, it fetches the firmware modules from the SA, and loads them into RAM. These modules would include the translator. If the modules cannot be read, then the capacity is reported as 0GB.

It seems to me that your read heads are weak, in which case the SA cannot always be read. I don't believe the actual modules are damaged. I don't know what you can do on your own except hope that your drive powers up and then stays up long enough for you to clone it.

The following thread may give you something else to think about:

http://forums.seagate.com/stx/board/message?board.id=ata_drives&thread.id=17546

References:

HDD from inside Main parts:

http://hddscan.com/doc/HDD_from_inside.html

Inside the firmware (Author: Aimtrading):

http://forum.hddguru.com/newbie-info-from-and-for-newbies-about-firmware-etc-t6562.html

http://hddscan.com/doc/HDD_Tracks_and_Zones.html

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Alex Sologub
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Re: 7200.12, 500GB, resurrected from death several times in perfect health and eventually died off..

Dear fzabkar, thank you for friendly advise and references, the good outcome of my bad occurrence is it prompts me to learn more about HDD technology and of course, keep a contact with you on this matter... I understood you suggest me to clone the drive on a suitable media before proceeding to seatools, is it possible? Hint: either the faulty drive and its SATA controller are displayed by win device manager as operating absolutely correctly with memory blocks allocated.. however, the win explorer shows the drive as inaccessible media.. HDD scan tool, Acronis tools and every other utilities I have tried to examine disk condition always show the same: bad disk, no file system