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01-29-2009 08:24 AM
lifeisfun:
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01-30-2009 10:01 AM
Hello everyone, here is an updateto the usb update situation (since i finally was ablet to chat to not one but 2 tech support workers via chat):
It took me a while to get him to understand that my drive was in an enclosure, but after that, this is our conversation...
Ike A.: at this point, we do not have firmware for drives in an external enclosure
dsp: will there be one in the near future?
Ike A.: quite possibly...but i dont think thy re currently slaving away at itdsp: if and when this harddrive stops functioning, where do i send my HDD to be fixed?
Ike A.: you can have it warranty replaced
dsp: will my data be transferred over to the new hard drive for me?
Ike A.: what is the serial number?
dsp: 9VS02NN2
dsp: the current firmware is Firmware: SD17Ike A.: no
dsp: and why not?
Ike A.: we have data recovery..its a seperate department from warranty services
dsp: but if the drive fails because of the faulty firmware, isn't it your job to recover my data due to your error?
dsp: especially since you are not giving me any option to update the firmware.
Ike A.: we do have a data recovery option if it fails due to firmware
dsp: you just told me you wouldn't recover my data?
Ike A.: i said we will not recover the data and then transfer to new drive...
dsp: so where will you put the recovered data?
Ike A.: if the drive fails due to the firmware, u can speak with data recovery and they have options
Ike A.: ..seperate from warranty services
dsp: okay so to prevent this
dsp: what is seagate going to do to fix their firmware issue?
Ike A.: we have a firmware upgrade
dsp: can i mail you my harddrive to have the firmware updated?
dsp: i cannot upgrade the firmware on a laptopIke A.: no
dsp: why not?
Ike A.: do u have the drive installed internally on the laptop?
dsp: what kind of laptop uses 3.5" drives internally?
Ike A.: none
Ike A.: but asked if the firmware can be upgraded on laptop
dsp: the firmware does not recognize the harddive via USB
Ike A.: yes...
dsp: so the solution that seagate has provided does not work
dsp: what can seagate do to fix this?
Ike A.: in your case....but seagate did not make that drive to be mounted externally
Ike A.: we have external drives
dsp: all drives are made to be externally mounted
Ike A.: k
dsp: i did not see any warning saying this drive cannot be externally mounted
dsp: are you saying that is the case?
Ike A.: mr dsp...tell me how i can help u today
dsp: what can seagate do to fix their hard drive with faulty firmware?
Ike A.: they have a firmware flash for intenally installed drives...we have gone thru this
dsp: how can i get my harddive flashed? what will seagate do for me to get this resolved?
dsp: i would like to send my faulty harddrive to you to get it flashed
Ike A.: what wuld u like
dsp: i'm sure this would be a much better solution than data recover or litigation.
Ike A.: u can send it in, but it'll prolly just sit there...thats not an option so much
dsp: or course having an ETA of when a USB compatible version of the flashing software will be provided to many of seagate's users.
Ike A.: its not available yet...
Ike A.: not ETA
dsp: is it even being worked on?
Ike A.: not really
dsp: and why not?
Ike A.: u put this drive in an external enclosure ...right
dsp: as have many users
dsp: seagate never stated it could not be
Ike A.: tru...
dsp: why is a solution not being worked on?
Ike A.: prolly somethin to do with market share..or user base...aomethin above my paygrade
dsp: understood
dsp: Ike, could you provide me with your manager's contact information, as well as your public relations contact information?
dsp: you've done a great job, and i understand you are limited with the information you are given
dsp: i know my questions were not easy for you.
Ike A.: 1800 732 4283..831 438 6550
dsp: what number is that?
Ike A.: first number is the tech cue for manager...2nd number is corporate swithcboard
dsp: does your manager have a name?
Ike A.: just ask to speak with a tech manager
dsp: that's the general number for tech support
dsp: please provide me with a direct number
Ike A.: you have to call that number and then request a manger....
dsp: the reason why i'm chatting with you is because that number is unattended
Ike A.: as u prolly are aware....that is protocol
dsp: what protocol?
Ike A.: when a cust request manager
dsp: can you provide me with another number that is attended
Ike A.: 1800 271 3285
And we went on talking about company policies etc etc
i hope this clears up Seagate's stance on Customer Service and what they are doing to help their customers.
Yes, i know i'm being stern with Seagate, but when i pay for a product that they knowingly sold me as faulty, i expect them to bend over backwards to try to fix it. It's my right as a customer.
01-30-2009 08:03 PM - edited 01-30-2009 08:04 PM
Your support call log is interesting, and it also shows Seagate up as liars.
From their own webpages, it says these drives ARE recommended for use as USB-connected external drives or in external storage:
There are many examples, such as:
http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/desktops
Under the Baracuda 7200.11 section:
Workstations, gaming PCs, mainstream PCs, high-end PCs, desktop RAID systems and external storage.
http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/marketing/po_barra
In this PDF under the 'Key Applications' section, it specifically says:
- USB/FireWire/eSATA personal external storage
http://www.seagate.com/images/flash/barracuda_1tb/
In this flash-based page it says the drives are ideal for 'home servers'.
So anything they say about the drives 'not being sold for external use', or for 'desktop-only use' is utter nonsense.
01-30-2009 09:02 PM - edited 01-30-2009 09:03 PM
Seagate themselves say that drives should be sent to them for firmware updates.
Take a look here: http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/
From "reason 1" of why they don't put firmware updates on their website:
Desktop and Mobile SATA and PATA drives are not designed for firmware updates in the field in the vast majority of cases. Very often what looks like a newer version of firmware, by the number, may actually be incompatible with previous versions. If incompatible firmware is copied to an earlier version of the same model, data loss or drive ruin will result. Performing a firmware update can be risky by itself even in the best of situations. For example, a power outage during a firmware update carries a very good possibility of ruining the drive. This is why Seagate uses a warranty exchange process, if necessary, to update SATA and PATA drive firmware.
02-02-2009 06:26 AM
Calab,
"Send the drive to Seagate so its firmware can be updated" is not the same as what is said in that KB article.
At any rate, the current situation is fairly specialised, so please consider the focused KB article more authoritative than that more general one that you have cited.
Thanks!
02-02-2009 06:30 AM
AlanM wrote:"Send the drive to Seagate so its firmware can be updated" is not the same as what is said in that KB article.
At any rate, the current situation is fairly specialised, so please consider the focused KB article more authoritative than that more general one that you have cited.
So, it's fine for Seagate to post one thing, then change the rules when it suits them to avoid actually providing service to their customers?
That page tells us exactly why they don't want to give out the firmware, stating that they WILL accept having it sent in under warranty. Now they say that they don't do that? REALLY nice attitude.
02-02-2009 10:32 AM
I am sorry for the confusion. The more general firmware article goes to great pains to qualify that it is speaking generally, for most cases, such as when it says:
"The short answer is: Firmware updates are not necessary for most users."
And that is precisely true. For most drives and most users, no firmware update is necessary. And in fact, the firmware issues you see talked about on this board for the last few months do not apply to even close to a majority of the drives out of these families that are out in the market, regardless of what more shrill voices who claim to know better may say. You are looking for an official answer from Seagate - that is an official answer. I am unsure whether many people will like it, but it is the truth. Anyway, the other relevant Knowledge Base articles are focused directly on specific drive models, so they are the exception, not the rule, and that more general article is stating the general rule.
Now, if you indeed do need a firmware update for your specific Barracuda 7200.11, Barracuda ES.2, or DiamondMax 22 drive, you can contact Tech Support and even in most cases download the update from the website just like that. If your drive is defective and is under warranty, it will be replaced under warranty, and the replacement drive will always have the most updated firmware available. I hope that helps to clarify.
02-05-2009
05:38 AM
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02-05-2009
06:41 AM
by
AlanM
I have a 750GB 7200.11 drive that shipped with SD15 and I'm in the same situation - external USB enclosure with a laptop & no access to a desktop with an internal SATA connection. The drive works totally fine right now, but it almost makes it useless to me if I have to live with the constant fear that it might crash on me any day. I can't even count on that as a backup drive. I understand if Seagate can't solve the technical issue of flashing firmware over USB. As others have pointed out, Seagate advertises these drives as appropriate for external storage!
(edited to comply with forum rules)
02-05-2009 06:41 AM
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