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johnjore
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PSU need for 12 disks

Question for the gurus: How big a PSU is needed for 12HD, and only the HDs, no mainboard or gfx card. 300W?, 500W?, 750W? or 1000W?

 

Disks are a mix of IDE and SATA, from 750GB and up. (All from Seagate)

 

 

 

JJ

 

 

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Cantbecanit
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Re: PSU need for 12 disks

This isn't a concrete answer, but with 12 units I'd say a 750 should do the trick.
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HughR
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Re: PSU need for 12 disks

Instead of guessing, why not just add up the power requirements, at each voltage, from the drive specifications and compare those figures with the specifications of your power supplies?  I have no idea what margin you should add, so I'd consider 25% or 50%.

 

Note: each voltage must be considered separately since a shortage in any voltage is a problem. But I think drives use 12v mostly.

 

According to http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_barracuda_lp.pdf

my drive uses 2.0A  +/-10% of 12V power at startup (peak).  Average operating power is 6.8W.  I'm not sure why one figure is in amps and the other is in watts.  Clearly you could reduce the size of the PS if you could stagger the drives' spin-up times.

 

12 of these disks would require 24A at 12V (288W), plus margin, at peak.

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johnjore
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Re: PSU need for 12 disks

Hi Hugh,

and thats what i did and used 500W thinking it was enough.

 

However, when one of the RAID groups did a rebuild the other day, and got stuck on a bad sector, i think, two disks from a different RAID group fell out. Traced the cables, they where on the same cables from the PSU with y-splitters. All disks where spinning when this happened, so no peak startup issues here.

 

I'm guessing the drive having issues was drawing so much power the other disks did not get enough and the raid controller failed the entire raid group.

 

 

 

 

JJ

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HughR
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Re: PSU need for 12 disks


johnjore wrote:

 

and thats what i did and used 500W thinking it was enough.

 

 


You have to read the specs of the power supply.  "500W" says nothing about each power rail.  Well, not nothing, but nothing useful.

 

As I understand it, some power supplies have multiple 12V rails.  So be sure that you spread the load across those rails.  Not that I know how to -- I don't know how you can tell which connectors are on which rail.

 

There is a belief that cheap PS specs lie and that expensive/good PS specs are conservative.  I don't have first-hand experience to say.

 

Have you measured the voltage of your system under load?  Are rails drooping?

 

You can, of course, put a way-too-big PS in for testing.  If things get better, that suggests something was wrong with the old PS, perhaps the capacity.

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johnjore
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Re: PSU need for 12 disks

Good advice Hugh,

but for me, as I've had 6 months of grief and countless of hours of work including 8 RMA's with Seagate disks (All disks confirmed bad by the reseller) I've decided enough is enough and going over spec on "everything" to try and achive a stable storage server.

 

This should do it for me: http://www.businessdirect.bt.com/products/xilence-1000w-modular-quiet-gaming-edition-psu-with-135mm-...

 

Massive over spec'ed, but with 6 rails, 2 disks on each?, should be able to rule out power as the cause of any issues moving forward.

(Total +12V maximum output current:112 A)

 

 

Original PSU was spec'ed as having enough + margin across two rails but at £28 each, i guess it was too cheap and I've paid the price. I did spread the disks across all power cables, assuming, incorrectly?, that a balance would split the load across both rails, but i may have been wrong.

 

 

 

JJ 

 

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AlanM
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Re: PSU need for 12 disks

(I'm going to add this to the Common Issues thread.  This is good stuff.  Carry on, please.)
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Akuhead
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Re: PSU need for 12 disks

Buy a power meter that has at least an AC wall plug and an AC outlet for a device.  They aren't expensive.  Put a single drive in a powered enclosure, plug the enclosure into the watt meter, then the watt meter into the AC source.  Measure the disk's spin up power draw, idle power, heavy read/write power, then pick the highest number and add a very comfortable margin to it (like +40%).   Repeat for each drive type then pick a power supply that can handle the sum of those loads with ample room to spare (like 33%).  When you get it put together, measure the system and you'll know what you have as well as what's required of your power cord and the AC source (breaker rating).  Also, be sure your power supply has excellent, higly reliable worst case cooling equipment.  If the PS has a cheap fan, replace it with a good one (ball bearings minimum, floating magnetic best)

 

www.apc.com has good reference material in their support section.