08-10-2009 06:29 AM
Subscriptions are broken? Well I still seem to have mine...anyways I just thought I might come back and tell you guys that everything's A-OK after my firmware update a couple of months back, both HDDs are still going strong and reliably so for me at least the update worked without issues despite my original worries.
08-10-2009 07:35 AM
HughR wrote:
Calab wrote:So... is this thread officially dead? Has Seagate actually fixed the firmware issues or have all the defective drives finally failed?
Is there an accurate list showing what the latest firmware is for each of the affected drive models?
The thread is inactive. Everything has been said 15 times already.
I think that there are still unresolved problems discussed in this thread. In particular, last night I tagged every posting that seemed to be about drives going offline but not bricking with "freeze". Then I started a new thread to deal with that topic. There is now a second posting on that thread!
By now, over 6 months later, I think the news of the firmware update has spread almost as far as it is going to spread.
Oh, and for some reason the thread has been renumbered so old links to it are broken and (I think) subscriptions are broken too. So that leaves previous posters out of the loop. The feedback loop is broken.
Calab, I seriously doubt that every drive has failed yet. There are likely 10's of thousands of drives that haven't been powered up yet, still sitting on retailers shelves somewhere in the world. There are even more people who are not even aware of this issue. For instance, I purchased one of my SD15 Seagates well after this issue became apparent. I didn't know anything about this until my first of several drives began to fail. This issue is going to be haunting Seagate for many years....and just wait until the 5 year warrantee is over, the %^$* is going to hit the fan.
HughR, I haven't posted in a long time now but I just wanted to confirm that I am still actively subscribed to this thread.
08-16-2009 04:08 PM
Here's a simple question. Does SD1A resolve the problem or not?
The answer is no.
I upgraded the firmware as advised by tech support..At the time My drive was working Ok..They told me to upgrade to avoid a failure..
Well, two months later it died..I just sent it back and asked for a differnet dirve model so I don't get some one else's bricked drive that got refurbished..
Seagate should not supply refirbs as replacements..We paid for new drives and new drives we should get..
I recently bought a WD .I, up until now I always purchased Seagate..Now their drives seems unreliable.
08-16-2009 07:22 PM
amegalo wrote:
Here's a simple question. Does SD1A resolve the problem or not?
The answer is no.
I upgraded the firmware as advised by tech support..At the time My drive was working Ok..They told me to upgrade to avoid a failure..
Well, two months later it died..I just sent it back and asked for a differnet dirve model so I don't get some one else's bricked drive that got refurbished..
Seagate should not supply refirbs as replacements..We paid for new drives and new drives we should get..
I recently bought a WD .I, up until now I always purchased Seagate..Now their drives seems unreliable.
I have no reason to think that the firmware upgrade fails to do what it was intended to. It was intended to prevent the BSY bug from striking, a very specific problem. The firmware was not advertised as fixing every problem.
Seagate support gives advice that may be different from what has been posted by Seagate on this site. Seagate support is authorative, but I have heard of some advice that I'm not confident of.
Why do you think that your firmware problem is the BSY bug?
As far as I know, all disk drive manufacturers give you a refurbished drive when you RMA a drive.
The only exception I know: if your drive has been hit by the BSY bug, and you ask them, Seagate will fix your drive and return it. This allows you to recover your data. Of course, they don't know for sure if the failure is the BSY bug until the try to fix it. If it is a different problem, they will return a different refurb.
Having said that, I sound like a total supporter of Seagate. That's not the case. Do read the two threads I've started about what seem to be systematic problems with 7200.11 drives.
12-10-2009 07:51 PM
12-11-2009 07:08 PM - edited 12-11-2009 07:10 PM
The SD1A update doesn't solve the problem, RMAing the drives doesn't solve the problem. The latest I got from Seagate TS was that you can't use the AS drives in RAID 5 or RAID 10 (even on a workstation) because that is "Enterprise" RAID.
Since Seagate says NOTHING about not using the drives in RAID in their docs, or on this site, that's a bit of a problem. If it was emblazoned on the drive packaging and in the specs, then they might have a leg to stand on, but the whole point of Redundant Arrays of Inexpensive Disk is to use inexpensive disks. It's not like a WS or home server are beating these drives to death with heavy IO.
Regardless, I have had over a 50% failure rate of 7200.11 drives, and I keep RMAing them. The latest was when 2 failed simultaneously out of the RAID 5EE on my (home, supports 3 users) server, destroying my data. I've finally been able to get a hold of some helpful folk in RMA who agree to send me 7200.12 drives when I send in failed 7200.11s. Frankly, that should be the policy in general. I can't believe that anyone except Jabil Circuit and UPS are making money on the endless round-tripping of these bricks.
There used to be a hard drive company called Miniscribe that went bankrupt, and at the end was shipping bricks in the boxes. Honestly, it would be preferable to get an ACTUAL brick, than a drive that turns into one once it has my data on it.
The 7200.11 series are complete garbage, and should be recalled. The growing hue and cry is a PR disaster for Seagate, and is being handled in exactly the wrong way: deny, cover up, stonewall, blame the users; instead of the correct way: come clean, get the junk out of circulation, take a one time financial hit, and move on; as opposed to losing the key influencers and decision makers in IT, and thus ultimately your entire customer base.
Seagate needs to come clean and fix this.
12-12-2009 02:18 PM
ByrneIT wrote:The SD1A update doesn't solve the problem, RMAing the drives doesn't solve the problem. The latest I got from Seagate TS was that you can't use the AS drives in RAID 5 or RAID 10 (even on a workstation) because that is "Enterprise" RAID.
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There is a whole thread about 7200.11 and RAID. This new message in that thread is particularly interesting http://forums.seagate.com/stx/board/message?board.
12-12-2009 02:24 PM
So,
I'm finally sending off the 4x 1.5TB Seagates I had, along with a quite nasty letter, I've pretty much demanded they either swap to 7200.12's or send me 2TB disks, I don't care.
I will not be pleased if these idiots send me 7200.11's and even if they DO send me 2TB or 7200.12's (or both) I'll be selling them.
My new 2TB Green WD's are working fine, quiet and cool – although significantly slower, I'll take that for reliability.
Since I sat on my hands with sending them off and selling them, I'll lose some money when selling them, due to being my lazyness – but I'm also losing money simply by being forced to sell them anyhow :/ expensive lesson overall, I hope to regain 50% of the value of what I paid for them earlier in the year.
Ghastly things.
02-21-2010 07:42 AM
Just to let all know.. mine just failed 0GB.....
ST31000333AS
CC3H
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02-24-2010 05:19 PM
Bought a ST31000340AS and a ST3500320AS both with firmware SD15 both on the 10/30/2008
Said my only option was to pay $1,200 dollars to get the data off the disc, no replacement, no refund, and neither drives had warranty on it... I mean not to sound like a upset off kid but I thought all SeaGate drives came with a three year warranty?
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